From: "Guédon Jean-Claude" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:18:39 +0000
Races "existed for centuries": what a lovely, self-defeating,
argument. If races "existed" for centuries, did they exist for
centuries + 1? :-)
The second answer (disadvantaged) does not correspond to my
experience; moreover, it is irrelevant to the point made. Finally,
linking race to disadvantages should prove somewhat worrysome.
How do you look at CULTURE (I use the capital letters to make sure
that I am referring to the same entity as my interlocutor). I have
never seen white CULTURE, or black CULTURE, etc...
My point about using blood types was actually meant to make fun of any
attempt to divide human beings into ever finer categories that will
ultimately amount to minorities of one.
Finally, apologies to the list for this digression which has precious
little to do with licensing issues. For me, this thread is finished.
Over and out!
Jean-Claude Guédon
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From: Ari Belenkiy <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 00:31:21 -0700
Well, I didn't expect my straightforward analogy with "race" would
cause such an ire. But let me tackle it seriously.
> As for race, it simply does not exist (except, perhaps, in the USA, among a number of other delusions that seem presently to thrive in that country).
The races existed for centuries and suddenly disappeared? Like in a fairy tale?
> When I encounter a race question in a US form, I generally answer: "unknown" or "incomprehensible question".
Usually, this question is directly related to the different promotions
or bonuses to the "disadvantages". So responding ambiguously, you
pretend to be qualified for them.
> If you pay attention to skin colour, where do you draw the line?
The CULTURE. Just look at the African and European states and compare.
> If we want to do precise classifications, albeit in an equally absurd manner, let us use blood types, for example.
Yes, you are on the right track. There is a gene with 4 alleles
directly responsible for the blood type. But to differentiate between
races securely you need to look at a larger number of genes. I
recommend reading Nicholas Wade's 2014 book "A Troublesome
Inheritance".
Ari Belenkiy
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM, LIBLICENSE
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From: "Guédon Jean-Claude"
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:09:33 +0000
A predatory publisher could be what Beall intended to describe, but
the term applies just as well to a publisher making excessive profits.
When people such as Mark Ware explain in a report of theirs that there
is no clear notion of excessive profit in a market economy, I believe
they describe another kind of predation.
As for race, it simply does not exist (except, perhaps, in the USA,
among a number of other delusions that seem presently to thrive in
that country). When I encounter a race question in a US form, I
generally answer: "unknown" or "incomprehensible question". If you pay
attention to skin colour, where do you draw the line? If we want to do
precise classifications, albeit in an equally absurd manner, let us
use blood types, for example.
Jean-Claude Guédon
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From: Ari Belenkiy <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:49:03 -0700
Interesting, here is an attempt to eliminate a useful and quite
precise terminology - "a predatory publisher." Why - just to get extra
points in kowtowing to the same powerful forces which silenced Jeffrey
Beall?
We are informed that "poor" predating publishers are "torn out" by
dilemma! But it is the same dilemma as all robbers on the Earth face -
to rob a shop and give a decent life to their progeny - or not.
Some time ago we observed the same trend in anthropology, where the
standard term "race" appeared "problematic" to some and all tricks
were applied to eliminate it from the academic parlance.
Ari Belenkiy, PhD
Vancouver BC
Canada
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