From: Amy Schuler <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:38:30 -0500

I too would like to know who walks the walk, and has not caved even
when Elsevier (or other) publisher has tried to renegotiate with you
and thrown you a juicy bone?  As we all know they do -- Elsevier
customer support is very friendly and helpful in my experience, and
they have offered me slightly discounted rates and other morsels.

Who sticks to their principles, and just says very firmly, NO.
Example:  "No, because we disagree on principle with your corporate
policies and practices at this time.  It doesn't matter that you,
Elsevier [or other], are willing to give me a lower rate than you
quoted 3 months ago, or will let me sign a multi-year contract with 0%
increase each year.  No. Show me that you are open to a discussion
about fair digital rights management, or negotiable copyright terms
and author permissions.  Until that time, no."

Who is doing this?  I would really like to know!

For the record, I maintain Elsevier subscriptions.. so I am not one to judge.

Amy Schuler
Director of Information Services
Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies
Millbrook, NY


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Thomas Krichel <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:52:16 +0000
>
> Hamaker, Charles <[log in to unmask]> writes
>
> > Elsevier and its cynical relationship with authors and institutions,
> > has been demonstrated by Elsevier itself. No one could have done this
> > to them but themselves.
> >
> > The tide of OA, of authors making sure people who need to see it,
> > get to read their research, OA in all its guises, is inexorable and
> > if handled correctly even by such behemoths as Elsevier, will lift
> > all boats in the publishing stream, despite the scaremongers and
> > naysayers in publishing, or the mistaken advice of some in
> > libraries, or even among OA advocates themselves. It's logic is
> > persuasive, its goals commensurate ultimately with what authors want
> > for their own research. To put up and enforce barriers to what
> > scholars want to distribute that they themselves produce is
> > antediluvian.
>
> You talk the talk Charles. Will you now walk the walk and cancel
> your Elsevier subscriptions?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas Krichel
> http://openlib.org/home/krichel