From: Klaus Graf <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:42:18 +0100

Relevant isn't how Mr Esposito defines OA but how the definitions of
Budapest, Bethesda and Berlin are defining OA. And there is no doubt
that these definitions don't legitimate NC.

There is also no doubt that commercial publishing is commercial
according CC. It is irrelevant if an author is payed.

All Wikipedia content should be re-usable also for commercial purposes.

Therefore Carroll is absolutely right.

Klaus Graf


2011/12/21 LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]>:

> From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:42:57 -0800
>
>
> Taylor & Francis's program is open access.  Michael Carroll's
> insistence that OA has a special and narrow meaning is one we have
> heard on this list many times. But OA has many meanings.  Advocates of
> a special kind of OA could have prevented these multiple meanings from
> arising had they trademarked a term for the variety they prefer.
>
> In my view, OA means free to read for the end-user.  All the other
> stipulations are extraneous.
>
> Joe Esposito
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michael Carroll <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:20:09 -0500
>>
>> Dear Jennifer,
>>
>> Thanks for the news, but I'm afraid your press release is misleading
>> and should be corrected.  You say that T&F is now publishing " fully
>> Open Access journals", but unless I've misread the licensing
>> arrangements this simply is not the case.  A fully open access journal
>> is one that publishes on the web without delay *and* which gives
>> readers the full set of reuse rights conditioned only on the
>> requirement that users provide proper attribution.
>> http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001210
>>
>> T&F's "Open" program and "Open Select" offer pseudo open access.
>> Could you please explain why T&F needs to reserve substantial reuse
>> rights after the author or her funder has paid for the costs of
>> publication?
>>
>> If your response is that the article processing charge does not
>> represent the full cost of publication, what charge would?  Why aren't
>> authors given the option to purchase full open access?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael W. Carroll
>> Professor of Law and Director,
>> Program on Information Justice and Intellectual Property
>> American University, Washington College of Law
>> Washington, D.C. 20016
>> vcard: http://www.wcl.american.edu/faculty/mcarroll/vcard.vcf