From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:04:23 +0100

David

Isn't there a basic difference her libre? As you rightly say subscription
journals are subscription journals to librarians, authors and users whether
or not the business model for an individual journal incorporated other
sources of income. In the world of open access, funders certainly
distinguish between different "flavours" of OA. I do not think gratis and
libre really work as distinguishing terms (gold and platinum) because the
different creative commons licenses distinguish a number of shades of libre.
Obviously publishers do have a view because some of these licenses cut out
some forms of income. In the subscription world no sources of income were
cut out - it all depended on whether anyone wanted to pay page charges, for
advertising or for reprints.

Anthony

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From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:20:52 +0100

I'm afraid that Joe has rather missed the point.  Of course all businesses
need to look at their revenues streams.  And of course, although this point
is sometimes ignored, most 'subscription' journals have existed on a mixture
of revenue streams for many, many decades (albeit with subscriptions often
being the major revenue component).

The question is not whether publishers need to look at granularity when
writing their business plans - of course they do.  It was whether or not
when talking about different types of OA we need a rainbow of colours to
describe the different business models.  I think no, others disagree.

David


On 22 Apr 2013, at 01:04, LIBLICENSE wrote:

From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:44:57 -0400

I don't know what your business experience is, David, but the first step in
analyzing any publishing business, journals included,is to parse all the
revenue streams. No one publishes journals--no one has ever published
journals.  Publishers invest in IP and then find the best way to exploit
that IP.  Successful publishers find multiple ways to exploit that IP.  A
journal is a manifestation of that underlying IP.

Concerning a taxonomy for OA, I have no dog in the hunt.  But if you say
that the granularity of the analysis for traditional materials is
unnecessary, you will be missing out on the nature of the enterprise, and
leaving money on the table to boot.

Joe Esposito