From: Peggy E Hoon <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 15:42:12 +0000

Kevin has, no surprise, articulated the problem here extremely well.
While I have not had the question of the student¹s published article
coming ahead of the ETD, the reverse is becoming a rapidly escalating
problem, at least here.  In the past two weeks alone, I have had two
departments/colleges on campus present the problem of a student¹s
submitted article being rejected because the publisher¹s search engine has
found substantial portions of the submitted article already available
online in the same student¹s online thesis or dissertation.  The
department/college in both of these situations have decided, as a matter
of policy,  to formally advise their students to routinely embargo their
e-theses/dissertations.  As Kevin has put it so well,

"We should note that this makes dissertations in
the digital age less accessible than they were in the past, for no
reason other than to protect the markets of commercial publishers, or,
perhaps, to pander to their fears."

I am disinclined to advise them otherwise.  While it may not be good for
the many, it is impossible for me to tell the one to sacrifice his or her
future in their field by risking their opportunity to publish.  It is
certainly a problem that needs attention.

Peggy

Peggy E. Hoon, J.D.
Director of Copyright Policy and Education
LSU Libraries
Louisiana State University
295 Middleton Library, Baton Rouge, LA  70803
lsu.edu <http://www.lsu.edu/>


>From: Kevin Smith <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 05:57:34 +0000
>
>Most publishers understand this and have policies in place to
>facilitate it. The one publisher with whom we have had difficulty in
>the past was John Wiley.  Several years ago we had a case where the
>article could be included in the print dissertation (a useless
>provision since there is no longer a print copy submitted at Duke) but
>not in the online version.  At the time no embargo was sufficient, or
>so we were told (one difficulty we encountered was that the
>representative we were talking to did not seem to clearly understand
>his own company's policy). So that dissertation has one chapter
>missing from the online version, with a dark copy that is complete.
>
>Wiley still has very complex reuse policies, and, depending on how you
>read them, they could require a one year embargo before a dissertation
>can be made public.  We should note that this makes dissertations in
>the digital age less accessible than they were in the past, for no
>reason other than to protect the markets of commercial publishers, or,
>perhaps, to pander to their fears.
>
>See http://olabout.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-820227.html
>
>I understand the escalating pressure to include published articles,
>but doing that puts our students' academic success in the hands of
>people outside the university who do not share any commitment to
>higher education.  The real goal is peer review prior to the
>submission of the dissertation; we should be working on how to
>accomplish that without outsourcing to publishers.
>
>Kevin
>
>Kevin L. Smith, M.L.S., J.D.
>Director, Copyright and Scholarly Communications
>Duke University Libraries
>
>
>
>On Oct 6, 2015, at 7:08 AM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>From: Sandra Wenner <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:23:55 +0000
>
>Any help on this would be deeply appreciated, since I am a relative
>newcomer to this particular matter.
>
>One of our nursing professors says that she believes there are some
>publishers (didn¹t know who) who tend to restrict students who submit
>an article to one of their journals from subsequently including that
>article in the student¹s dissertation/thesis. Some of our students¹
>dissertations here must contain 3 published articles, so this can be a
>real problem.
>
>If anyone could let me know the names of these publishers, that would
>be wonderful.
>
>Thank you.
>Sandy Wenner
>
>Sandra L. Wenner, MLS, JD
>Interim Director
>Library of Rush University Medical Center
>600 S. Paulina Street, Suite 577
>Chicago, IL 60612-3832