From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:19:47 +0000


Of course there is confusion.  I was at a meeting once where an editor
proudly stated that she was fully signed-up to the principles of open
access and the journal she edited was open access - the papers were
freely available to all readers at subscribing institutions!  I'm not
sure threatening her with trademark infringement would have helped.

This and Joe's example are cases of people wanting 'open access' to
mean what they want it to mean.  For me there is a perfectly good
working definition in Budapest.  Mike and I are working with this
definition - Joe want to redefine the term.  That's fine, language
evolves all the time.  But those of us who don't think we need a
redefinition are going to continue to hark back to Budapest.

David

On 23 Dec 2011, at 03:38, LIBLICENSE wrote:

> From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:04:44 -0800
>
> Of course they are a special case.
>
> An illustration. I happened upon a publishing service that was proudly
> hailed as open access.  Sounds great.  How is it financed? I asked.
> An arrangement had been made between an educational institution and a
> commercial company.  The institution had materials it wanted digitized
> and made available as a Web service.  The commercial company undertook
> to handle the technical work.  The institution got access to the
> material at no charge.  Hence "open access." But the commercial
> company then had the right to market the material to other
> institutions for a fee.
>
> Now, how can we expect that institution to understand that they are
> not familiar with the rarefied atmosphere of the three B's?
>
> If you want no ambiguity, trademark the term.  Intellectual property
> helps everybody.
>
> Joe Esposito
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:56:45 +0000
>>
>> Of course we can all, like Joe and Humpty Dumpty in Through the
>> Looking Glass, declare that words mean whatever we want them to mean.
>> But in this case the 'special and narrow meaning' of OA that Mike
>> Carroll describes is exactly the meaning as defined in the Budapest
>> Open Access Initiative ten years ago (and the Bethesda statement and
>> Berlin Declaration of 2003).
>>
>> One may not agree with the Budapest, Bethesda, and Berlin definitions,
>> but let's not try to imply that their widely used and widely accepted
>> definitions are in some sense a 'special case'.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 21 Dec 2011, at 04:39, LIBLICENSE wrote:
>>
>>> From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:42:57 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>> Taylor & Francis's program is open access.  Michael Carroll's
>>> insistence that OA has a special and narrow meaning is one we have
>>> heard on this list many times. But OA has many meanings.  Advocates of
>>> a special kind of OA could have prevented these multiple meanings from
>>> arising had they trademarked a term for the variety they prefer.
>>>
>>> In my view, OA means free to read for the end-user.  All the other
>>> stipulations are extraneous.
>>>
>>> Joe Esposito
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Michael Carroll <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:20:09 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Dear Jennifer,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the news, but I'm afraid your press release is misleading
>>>> and should be corrected.  You say that T&F is now publishing " fully
>>>> Open Access journals", but unless I've misread the licensing
>>>> arrangements this simply is not the case.  A fully open access journal
>>>> is one that publishes on the web without delay *and* which gives
>>>> readers the full set of reuse rights conditioned only on the
>>>> requirement that users provide proper attribution.
>>>> http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001210
>>>>
>>>> T&F's "Open" program and "Open Select" offer pseudo open access.
>>>> Could you please explain why T&F needs to reserve substantial reuse
>>>> rights after the author or her funder has paid for the costs of
>>>> publication?
>>>>
>>>> If your response is that the article processing charge does not
>>>> represent the full cost of publication, what charge would?  Why aren't
>>>> authors given the option to purchase full open access?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Michael W. Carroll
>>>> Professor of Law and Director,
>>>> Program on Information Justice and Intellectual Property
>>>> American University, Washington College of Law
>>>> Washington, D.C. 20016
>>>> vcard: http://www.wcl.american.edu/faculty/mcarroll/vcard.vcf
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LIBLICENSE
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:09 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Taylor & Francis Opens Access with new OA Program!
>>>>
>>>> From: "McMillan, Jennifer " <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:46:09 +0000
>>>>
>>>> The New Year sees the launch of an exciting range of Open Access options
>>>> from Taylor & Francis via the Taylor & Francis Open program. This new
>>>> initiative is designed to give authors and their sponsors flexibility
>>>> and variety when they choose to publish research with Taylor & Francis.
>>>>
>>>> The Taylor & Francis Open program is a suite of fully Open Access
>>>> journals consisting of brand new titles, dynamic titles from T&F's
>>>> existing portfolio which are converting to OA, and titles published on
>>>> behalf of the Royal Society of New Zealand and the Human Sciences
>>>> Research Council, South Africa.  Many of the titles in this program will
>>>> collaborate with leading journals within T&F's existing portfolio,
>>>> providing input and support from learned societies and
>>>> internationally-acclaimed editors to ensure their calibre.
>>>>
>>>> Taylor & Francis Open journals will have affordable article publication
>>>> fees, with discounts or fee waivers for emergent countries. Authors will
>>>> benefit from rapid online publication, rigorous peer review and the high
>>>> levels of customer care Taylor & Francis provides to all authors.  Their
>>>> finished article will be showcased on Taylor & Francis Online, helping
>>>> them to gain recognition and esteem for their contribution to their
>>>> field.
>>>>
>>>> Taylor & Francis can confirm the following titles will be included in
>>>> Taylor & Francis Open, with more to join in the New Year:
>>>> Complex Metals
>>>> Green Chemistry Letters and Reviews
>>>> International Journal of Smart and Nano Materials
>>>> Journal of Biological Dynamics
>>>> Journal of Organic Semiconductors
>>>> Kotuitui: New Zealand Journal of Social Sciences Online - published on
>>>> behalf of the Royal Society of New Zealand
>>>> Nanoscience Methods
>>>> SAHARA-J: Journal of Social Aspects of HIV/AIDS - published on behalf of
>>>> the Human Sciences Research Council
>>>> Systems Science & Control Engineering
>>>>
>>>> Dr David Green, Global Journals Publishing Director, sums up Taylor &
>>>> Francis' new approaches to Open Access, "Taylor & Francis is committed
>>>> to producing high-calibre journals that showcase quality global
>>>> research. We believe that this content should be widely disseminated and
>>>> are now exploring various Open Access models to enable universal access
>>>> in ways that are sustainable and meet the needs of the academic and
>>>> research communities.  Over the past three years society journals have
>>>> been partnering with Taylor & Francis Group at the rate of more than one
>>>> per week, and, if required, we are now able to offer a potential partner
>>>> a range of Open Access models".
>>>>
>>>> Taylor & Francis will also continue to offer Taylor & Francis Open
>>>> Select, which is a hybrid program giving authors the choice to publish
>>>> on an Open Access basis in over 500 titles from across Taylor & Francis
>>>> Group's extensive portfolio.
>>>>
>>>> *******************************