From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:13:20 +0100

Richard

We shall see. I read the blurb not the article. It was the "increasingly
protesting" that seems to me to demand more than an opinion to justify.
There is of course the heading but let that pass. It is advocacy after all.
A little embarrassing however - almost as embarrassing as the "academic
spring".

I recognise that there is been quite a bit of noise, partly from other
journalists, but surely a proper survey is needed to underpin this sort of
remark?

My opinion is partly based on the study by Eefke Smit and her colleague -
see:

http://www.publishingresearch.net/documents/PRCSmitJAMreport20June2011Versio
nofRecord.pdf.In the summary (2011) they write:

"The mining requests that publishers receive are not very frequent (mostly
less than 10 per year, a good share even less than 5 per year) and come
mostly from Abstracting and Indexing services and from corporate
customers.".

They do suggest (from the survey) that there are more requests but they also
say that the great majority of these have been met by licence.

I would love to know if there is a big increasing demand that is not being
met by licence/permissions.

Anthony


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From: Richard Poynder <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:46:24 +0100

Anthony,

My assertion was not based solely on the views and experience of Peter
Murray-Rust, as those who read the PDF file will see. I don't doubt
that the RSC and the ACS would disagree, but feel free to send me some
names of scientists you know who would disagree. I am more than happy
to hear their views.

Richard

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From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:00:05 +0100

Richard: I wonder how you know that Aspesi is right. It seems a daring
assertion. Much as I admire Peter M-R, I do not see him as
representative of the views of the large chemistry community to which
he belongs. I wonder if the RSC or the ACS have any evidence on this
point.

Anthony


On 10 Jun 2012, at 23:50, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Richard Poynder <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:41:18 +0100
>
> In a recent investment report, analyst Claudio Aspesi concluded that a
> new front had opened up in the Open Access (OA) debate. Writing in
> April, Aspesi noted that academics are “increasingly protesting the
> limitations to the usage of the information and data contained in the
> articles published through subscription models, and — in particular —
> to the practice of text mining articles.”  Aspesi is right, and a
> central figure in this battleground is University of Cambridge chemist
> Peter Murray-Rust. A long-time advocate for open data, Murray-Rust is
> now spearheading an initiative to draft a “Content Mining
> Declaration”. What is the background to this?
>
>
http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/new-declaration-of-rights-open-content
.html