From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:03:10 +0100

I think Lisa raises an important point here. In principle it would be
an excellent thing if publishers and librarians, both dedicated to
facilitating research, could be involved in the governance of all such
projects assuming that they are willing to help with the costs. It is
possible for some projects entirely governed by publishers to gain
general respect -  such as CrossRef. I am trying to think of library
projects of a similar type where publishers have been involved in the
governance from the start. I am honoured to be a director of the
Charleston Conference although I have not been a librarian since 1971
and have been a publisher for most of my life and some of my
colleagues on this committee are also publishers but I cannot think of
others. Clearly a conference is not like RA 21 but Charleston because
of its nature does lead on to innovation and indeed it is part of its
overall philosophy

Anthony

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From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 00:05:40 +0000

I'm not at all of the "no compromise" perspective that many librarians
take. I'm firmly on record (even on video!) of the need to serve all
of the principles in the library code of ethics - including both the
obligation to confidentiality and the obligation to quality service.
What that means in practice is of course always a continuous process
of reflection, careful decision-making, etc.

My concern with RA21 is, notwithstanding Nettie's very helpful posting
earlier today including her hope that librarians engage, is that the
steering committee includes no librarians
(https://ra21.org/index.php/about/). I want to see librarians as part
of the team that develops the strategy for this project and not just
on implementation teams.

Lisa

P.S. Not my first time being disappointed in an STM initiative and how
they conceptualize the role of libraries:
https://www.digital-science.com/blog/perspectives/substantial-enduring-roles-libraries-article-sharing-part-2/

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From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:16:53 -0400

I am not sure how I feel about these issues or how to think about
them. Culturally and personally I am very much in Lisa's camp, but the
pragmatist in me is not so sure.

First, though, let me be clear that I am not trying to defend anything
the STM Association or anyone else is doing or not doing with regard
to SciHub. That's a commercial issue, but Lisa is getting at something
more important.

What perplexes me is how to influence discussion without entering the
discussion. If one's opening and foundational position is "no
compromise to privacy," strong forces, political as well as
commercial, will simply not engage you in conversation. Is the more
prudent role, if less satisfying philosophically, to soften the tone
and role up one's sleeves?

I have written about this elsewhere:

https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2016/06/23/libraries-may-have-gotten-the-privacy-thing-all-wrong/

I am truly perplexed by this entire issue and how to move it forward.

Joe Esposito