From: Ian Gibson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 18:38:50 +0000

Apologies for responding to something so far back on the thread but
the impact on usage stats cuts both ways. On the one hand people go to
SciHub (and other sites that use compromised credentials to get at the
literature) and download stuff that they could have got from the
library and that drives down our usage totals. On the other hand
compromised credentials (used by SciHub and elsewhere) also generate
usage stats as they harvest things which messes up your stats in the
other direction. In the past I would have been comfortable saying that
the impact of the former is much greater than the impact of the
latter. After talking to our campus IT security folks I'm not nearly
as confident.

Cheers,
Ian

Ian Gibson, MISt
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From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:00 +0000

But surely usage is considered? And as usage goes elsewhere it
devalues the big deal because the cost per download goes up.
Librarians don't have to be endorsing or encouraging use of
ResearchGate (or SciHub), whether to access licit or illicit copies,
for the reality of that use to be impacting on ata that effects
library subscriptions to content?

Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe
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From:  Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]>
Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000

I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price
increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns
also when negotiating with publishers.

Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either
ResearchGate or SciHub.  But this fact does not influence my
decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription
renewals.

Best regards,

Joanne

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Texas Medical Center Library
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From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000

It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with
vendors that I have been involved in.  My negotiations have always
about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the
resource to my community along with license terms, customer service,
ease of use, etc.  Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind.  I
also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they
are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers.

Best,

Lucy

Lucia Maziar
Library Director
US Coast Guard Academy
Library (DL)
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New London CT  06320
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