From: Sandy Thatcher <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 09:13:34 -0500

To Stevan's objection I would add that such a statement as this is
ridiculously overreaching:

At 6:49 PM -0400 5/27/15, LIBLICENSE wrote:
>
> We do not believe that scientific, economic and social progress should be hindered in order to protect commercial interests.

It just so happens that university presses have "commercial interests"
also. If taken literally, this statement advocates stealing everything
that university presses publish.

I would also second Stevan's point about CC-BY-NC-ND. I have argued
elsewhere that humanists especially are not well served by just CC-BY
alone because they have an interest in making sure that their writing
is translated correctly and CC-BY provides no protection against
sloppy and poor translation.  Moreover, insisting on CC-BY for OA
monographs would undercut one business model that has been used
successfully by university presses (like the one I directed at Penn
State) to  make OA monograph publishing possible.

Be careful what you wish for!

Sandy Thatcher


> From: Stevan Harnad <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:11 -0400
>
> I beg the OA community to remain reasonable and realistic.
>
> Please don't demand that Elsevier agree to immediate CC-BY. If
> Elsevier did that, I could immediately start up a rival free-riding
> publishing operation and sell all Elsevier articles immediately at cut
> rate, for any purpose at all that I could get people to pay for.
> Elsevier could no longer make a penny from selling the content it
> invested in.
>
> CC-BY-NC-ND is enough for now. It allows immediate harvesting for data-mining.
>
> The OA movement must stop shooting itself in the foot by
> over-reaching, insisting on having it all, immediately, thus instead
> ending up with next to nothing, as now.
>
> As I pointed out in a previous posting, the fact that Elsevier
> requires all authors to adopt CC-BY-NC-ND license is a positive step.
> Please don't force them to back-pedal!
>
> Please read the terms, and reflect.
>
> SH