There was a discussion of this issue on the Scholarly Kitchen and on the SCHOLCOM site that is relevant here. I posted this on SCHOLCOM: At 7:03 PM -0600 12/9/11, Sandy Thatcher wrote: >Just today, over at The Scholarly Kitchen, there was a posting in >response to a statement by Michael Carroll about just this issue. >Carroll favors the CC-BY license, for reasons that he explains in >his statement: >http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001210;jsessionid=5A171AD9283AC8C6480848AEE4FFAF00 > >The SK discussion is here: >http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2011/12/09/blinded-by-ideology-open-access-advocate-continues-to-fight-the-battles-of-yesteryear/ > >My comment, which is relevant to some of what Heather discusses here, was: > >>Kent, with all due respect, i think you have missed the main point >>of the argument that Michael Carroll was trying to make in this >>statement. He is really addressing the difference between what >>Peter Suber and others have called "libre" and "gratis" OA where >>only the former, according to Carroll, qualifies as "full" OA >>because it does not include any restrictions on reuse rights. >>Carroll seems to be claiming that using only "gratis" OA somehow >>impedes the progress of scholarly communication. I don't think that >>argument can withstand serious scrutiny, however, because >>noncommercial reuse is what scholarly communication is all about in >>journal publishing where royalties are not typically paid to >>authors. I don't see how posting to Wikipedia constitutes a >>"commercial" reuse either. His complaint also is directed here at >>those big bad commercial publishers we all love to hate, but the >>truth is that many OA journals that are published on campus and by >>other noncommercial entities use the CC license that allows authors >>to retain commercial reuse rights and so why isn't Carroll >>criticizing them as well? In those cases, it is not the publishers >>who hold the reuse rights but the authors themselves. My main >>complaint is different from Carroll's: I don;t think the >>commercial/noncommercial distinction is conceptually clear enough >>to do the job it is supposed to do. Even Larry Lessig, in one of >>his books, admitted as much. Sandy Thatcher >From: Michael Carroll <[log in to unmask]> >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:20:09 -0500 > >Dear Jennifer, > >Thanks for the news, but I'm afraid your press release is misleading >and should be corrected. You say that T&F is now publishing " fully >Open Access journals", but unless I've misread the licensing >arrangements this simply is not the case. A fully open access journal >is one that publishes on the web without delay *and* which gives >readers the full set of reuse rights conditioned only on the >requirement that users provide proper attribution. >http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001210 > >T&F's "Open" program and "Open Select" offer pseudo open access. >Could you please explain why T&F needs to reserve substantial reuse >rights after the author or her funder has paid for the costs of >publication? > >If your response is that the article processing charge does not >represent the full cost of publication, what charge would? Why aren't >authors given the option to purchase full open access? > >Thanks, >Mike > >Michael W. Carroll >Professor of Law and Director, >Program on Information Justice and Intellectual Property >American University, Washington College of Law >Washington, D.C. 20016 >vcard: http://www.wcl.american.edu/faculty/mcarroll/vcard.vcf > >Research papers: http://works.bepress.com/michael_carroll/ >http://ssrn.com/author=330326 >blog: http://www.carrollogos.org/ >See also www.creativecommons.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LIBLICENSE >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:09 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Taylor & Francis Opens Access with new OA Program! > >From: "McMillan, Jennifer " <[log in to unmask]> >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:46:09 +0000 > >The New Year sees the launch of an exciting range of Open Access options >from Taylor & Francis via the Taylor & Francis Open program. This new >initiative is designed to give authors and their sponsors flexibility >and variety when they choose to publish research with Taylor & Francis. > >The Taylor & Francis Open program is a suite of fully Open Access >journals consisting of brand new titles, dynamic titles from T&F's >existing portfolio which are converting to OA, and titles published on >behalf of the Royal Society of New Zealand and the Human Sciences >Research Council, South Africa. Many of the titles in this program will >collaborate with leading journals within T&F's existing portfolio, >providing input and support from learned societies and >internationally-acclaimed editors to ensure their calibre. > >Taylor & Francis Open journals will have affordable article publication >fees, with discounts or fee waivers for emergent countries. Authors will >benefit from rapid online publication, rigorous peer review and the high >levels of customer care Taylor & Francis provides to all authors. Their >finished article will be showcased on Taylor & Francis Online, helping >them to gain recognition and esteem for their contribution to their >field. > >Taylor & Francis can confirm the following titles will be included in >Taylor & Francis Open, with more to join in the New Year: >Complex Metals >Green Chemistry Letters and Reviews >International Journal of Smart and Nano Materials >Journal of Biological Dynamics >Journal of Organic Semiconductors >Kotuitui: New Zealand Journal of Social Sciences Online - published on >behalf of the Royal Society of New Zealand >Nanoscience Methods >SAHARA-J: Journal of Social Aspects of HIV/AIDS - published on behalf of >the Human Sciences Research Council >Systems Science & Control Engineering > >Dr David Green, Global Journals Publishing Director, sums up Taylor & >Francis' new approaches to Open Access, "Taylor & Francis is committed >to producing high-calibre journals that showcase quality global >research. We believe that this content should be widely disseminated and >are now exploring various Open Access models to enable universal access >in ways that are sustainable and meet the needs of the academic and >research communities. Over the past three years society journals have >been partnering with Taylor & Francis Group at the rate of more than one >per week, and, if required, we are now able to offer a potential partner >a range of Open Access models". > >Taylor & Francis will also continue to offer Taylor & Francis Open >Select, which is a hybrid program giving authors the choice to publish >on an Open Access basis in over 500 titles from across Taylor & Francis >Group's extensive portfolio. > >******************************* -- Sanford G. 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