From: Ken Masters <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:16:03 +0400 Hi All David's experience is quite common. Last year I published an article (in an open access journal, naturally :-), in which I had surveyed editors of NON open access journals. One of the editors wrote: "Our journal operates an open access policy where authors from subscribing institutions are entitled to free open access publication." There's still a long way to go. Regards Ken ------ Dr. Ken Masters Asst. Professor: Medical Informatics Medical Education Unit College of Medicine & Health Sciences Sultan Qaboos University Sultanate of Oman E-i-C: The Internet Journal of Medical Education ____/\\/********\\/\\____ On 24 December 2011 07:18, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:19:47 +0000 > > > Of course there is confusion. I was at a meeting once where an editor > proudly stated that she was fully signed-up to the principles of open > access and the journal she edited was open access - the papers were > freely available to all readers at subscribing institutions! I'm not > sure threatening her with trademark infringement would have helped. > > This and Joe's example are cases of people wanting 'open access' to > mean what they want it to mean. For me there is a perfectly good > working definition in Budapest. Mike and I are working with this > definition - Joe want to redefine the term. That's fine, language > evolves all the time. But those of us who don't think we need a > redefinition are going to continue to hark back to Budapest. > > David > > On 23 Dec 2011, at 03:38, LIBLICENSE wrote: > > > From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:04:44 -0800 > > > > Of course they are a special case. > > > > An illustration. I happened upon a publishing service that was proudly > > hailed as open access. Sounds great. How is it financed? I asked. > > An arrangement had been made between an educational institution and a > > commercial company. The institution had materials it wanted digitized > > and made available as a Web service. The commercial company undertook > > to handle the technical work. The institution got access to the > > material at no charge. Hence "open access." But the commercial > > company then had the right to market the material to other > > institutions for a fee. > > > > Now, how can we expect that institution to understand that they are > > not familiar with the rarefied atmosphere of the three B's? > > > > If you want no ambiguity, trademark the term. Intellectual property > > helps everybody. > > > > Joe Esposito