From: Brandon Nordin <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:29:54 +0000 Deborah et. al: I think there are 2 interrelated issues here: A) the overall business model that gets applied to OA and its potential impact on subscription fees on an institution by institution basis and B) the operational model how APCs get administered, paid, tracked, applied etc. Both are fairly complex, and tap into requirements that are latent in most publishers' (and I suspect, most libraries') infrastructures. To my reading, the funders are still dealing at a fairly high level with essentially conceptual policy. I've just came back from meeting with several of the key players in the UK research and library world where there is a hybrid Gold/Green OA mandate scheduled to become active in early April. It's clear that there are a lot of details that still need to be worked out before publishers can start addressing the systematic challenges required to put the plan into practice. Yet the deadlines are looming quickly and 10's of thousands of authors are soon going to be looking for answers within the next few months. Similarly on the publisher side, until now, there has been little real need to have links between our content and publishing management systems and our transactional and billing systems. Just simple requirements like identifying the institutions that authors self identify with (and typically hand enter using non normalized, non coded data) and tying them to our institutional account numbers are non trivial in implementation all the more so when multiple authors come from different institutions (and may have different sets of funders). The reality is that we are going to see a period of organized confusion as publishers, research agencies, and institutional libraries struggle between building new systems around potentially dueling or "unarticulated" standards and shoehorning new processes into existing systems. This is pretty typical with any disruptive cycle part of the pain and part of the fun of managing change, I suppose, depending how much of an adrenaline junkie you are. Brandon A. Nordin Vice President, Sales, Marketing & Digital Strategy ACS PUBLICATIONS ******* From: Deborah Lenares <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:30:48 -0500 Hi Jill, This is a very interesting idea. The oft tossed around idea that APC fees will simply come from library budgets, while we continue to pay subscription fees, has been very troubling to me. This concept would aid in that transition. Perhaps there's a way to attempt this at a higher level through broad collaborative discussions with certain publishers, instead of during license negotiations. If we can show success (as defined by all stakeholders) with a small number of publishers, perhaps others would more easily adopt it. I would be interested in participating and surely we will find other libraries (large and small) who would be interested in participating. What do the publisher-type folks on the list think? Would collaborative publisher-author-library discussions around this concept be productive? Best, Deborah Lenares -- Manager Acquisitions and Resource Sharing Science Collection Management Librarian Clapp Library - Wellesley College Wellesley, Massachusetts 02481 [log in to unmask] On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:24 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Jill Emery <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:55:27 -0800 Hi Everyone, Has anyone used any language in their multi-year subscription deals to cover APC fees paid by local faculty? If so, are you willing to share the language that you have developed locally? Here's what I'm thinking of proposing for a multi-year journal collection agreement: Pricing & Considerations: If Portland State University faculty pay APC fees for five or more articles published in [publisher's name] journal titles in a given year, the Portland State University Library will be waived that amount on their package access fee in the subsequent year. Thanks, Jill Emery Collection Development Librarian Portland State University 209 LIBE Portland, OR 97207 E:[log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]