From: "M. Soledad Bravo-Marchant" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:04:04 -0300 Estimados: Maybe I will be self-referential, but I really would appreciate the collection of more information in order to address such judgments about open access experiences in Latin America SciELO began in 1997 and now it is in thirteen countries in Latin America (with different levels of development). In many countries SciELO is part of public policies to support scientific and technological research, their administration is centralized in ONCYT's and its public value is out of question Perhaps the most distinctive feature of this regional experience is a different valoration about the public value of scientific communication and how governments, in despite of different ideological affiliations, design incentives to keep this experience alive. I expect that my comments (in English) will be published. My original comments (in Spanish) remains unpublished until today (maybe lost in the moderator's email) Saludos a todos Soledad Bravo El 27/03/2013 9:19, M. Soledad Bravo-Marchant escribió: Estimados A riesgo de ser autorreferente, agradeceria el acopio de más información para poder emitir esos juicios tan rotundos sobre las experiencias de acceso abierto en América Latina El Programa SciELO se inició en 1997 y está presente en trece países de América Latina, hasta ahora, con distintos grados de desarrollo. En muchos países es parte de las políticas públicas de apoyo a la investigación científica y tecnológica, su administración está centralizada en las ONCYT's y su valor público no está puesto en duda. Tal vez lo que subyace en esta experiencia regional es una mirada distinta sobre el valor público de la comunicación científica y cómo los gobiernos, con independencia de sus adscripciones ideológicas, colocan los incentivos para mantener esta experiencia en el tiempo. Reciban todos un cordial saludo Soledad Bravo-Marchant El 27/03/2013 0:15, LIBLICENSE escribió: From: Sandy Thatcher <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:09:03 -0500 From: Jean-Claude Guédon <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:46:00 -0400 You might want to look at the SciELO and Redalyc models in latin America. Both are supported mainly by public money and some foundation money. Given the history of regime change in Latin America, I wouldn't feel terribly confident about relyoing on government support as a long-term strategy. Here in the U.S. we have just seen Congress defund political science research. They are certainly going to pay for making it OA. An endowment is ideal, of course, but the vagaries of politics and priorities are not so different from the vagaries of the market, except when oligopoles manage to work without having to pay much (if any) attention to the market. Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal Le dimanche 24 mars 2013 à 12:40 -0400, LIBLICENSE a écrit : From: Sandy Thatcher <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:15:09 -0500 I would be interested in knowing more about how OA models that do not depend on authors paying manage to ensure that OA can be done more cost efficiently than regular subscription-based publishing. The example cited here is OpenEdition's Freemium program, which charges libraries for extra services beyond the basic delivery of the articles in OA form. What assurances are there that library funding will be available, in sufficient amounts, on an ongoing basis to cover the full costs of running the OpenEdition operation? In times when budgets are tight, why should universities spend the money to get these extra services when the basic information is all free anyway? I note that the Centre that Mr. Dacos heads is supported by a combination of government and private foundation money. Given that both of these sources are subject to vagaries of politics and priorities from year to year, how can these be considered stable sources of long-term financing? For my money, the only really sensible approach for sustaining OA over time is to set it up on the basis of endowments, as the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has done--a magnificent example of OA publishing in the humanities, by the way. Sandy Thatcher