From: "Prestamo, Anne" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:50:37 +0000 Anthony - Yes, most of these problematic online conditions (particularly 2-4) are publications from small learned societies and in some cases professional associations. One area that seems to have more than its share of publications with oddities is in veterinary medicine. Many of these publications have an audience comprised largely of practitioners and the publishers of these just don't "get" the difference between individual and library subscriptions. We run into the post-cancellation rights problems with some fairly large publishers in cases where we're subscribing to individual titles rather than getting their entire package. Anne Prestamo Claud D. Kniffin Professor of Library Service and Education Associate Dean for Collection and Technology Services Oklahoma State University Libraries Email: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:26:09 +0100 Ann: I do not know whether publishers on the list will agree but as an ex-publisher I am a little surprised by your point (1) - but horrified by points (2) through (5). It amazes me that there are still publishers who do not have proper online arrangements in the way you describe. May I ask a question? Are these all smaller learned societies who self-publish? I am referring to (2) through (5) Anthony -----Original Message----- From: "Prestamo, Anne" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:42:05 +0000 We continue to get ~800 titles in print, and about 1/3 of those are print+online subscriptions. We would very much prefer to be entirely e-only, but are frustrated by publishers that do not offer acceptable options. Some examples that cause us to keep print: 1) Institutional e-only subscription is many times the cost of a print institutional subscription. 2) Publisher's version of "electronic" is unacceptable. For example, they email you a PDF of each issue. Sorry, just don't want to go there. 3) No IP authentication. 4) There is no online version offered. 5) No post-cancellation rights for e-only. If the cost of a print+online sub is equal to, or no more than 10% higher, we get both. If higher than 10% to add the online access we get print only. When we get both we no longer shelve nor bind the print issues. They are held in a processing area until we have a complete volume, boxed, and sent to storage. Anne Prestamo Claud D. Kniffin Professor of Library Service and Education Associate Dean for Collection and Technology Services Oklahoma State University Libraries Email: [log in to unmask]