From: Michael Zeoli <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:41 +0000 Sandy, You brought up Helmut in the last Liblicense discussion too - and he and I have discussed this since. His answer to you was generic. There is more nuance. The critical points are: 1) Revised Dissertations vs Unrevised Dissertations; 2) University Press revised dissertations vs. those published by non-UPs; 3) We need to distinguish between 'approval sales', i.e. automatically shipped books (virtually unaffected) vs. orders placed by libraries, which, for university press titles are far less affected than those published by non-UPs. During our discussion then (April 2011 - I know April is the cruelest month, but what is it with April and Revised Dissertations?), I studied our sales data and shared the results: "On average UP titles of all types sold 89 copies. The UP Revised Dissertations sold an average of 85 copies (*Unrevised* Dissertations fared much less well selling just 21 copies on average). Non-UP Revised Dissertations averaged just 39 copies sold (and 9 copies for Unrevised Dissertations)." As to whether titles 'hide their patrimony', I'd just say that we have more than adequate evidence to understand library collecting. Ultimately though, this discussion can resemble global warming. I think the more interesting discussions now should focus on how ebook availability or DDA or new variations arising in DDA via publishers are affecting content acquisition. Most UPs are seeing erosion of print sales. Depending on their digital strategies and positioning with partners, some are compensating very nicely. Others are not. All of this will have immediate bearing on scholars' ability to publish, dissertations revised or unrevised, in the future. Michael Michael Zeoli VP, Strategic eContent Development & Partner Relations YBP Library Services Contoocook, New Hampshire 03229 http://www.ybp.com [log in to unmask]