From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:06:35 -0400 Harnad writes that "a minority [of publishers] want a one-year embargo." I doubt that that is true. Most publishers are trying to accommodate the needs and interests of funding agencies, society members, librarians, and the general public. I doubt very much that many publishers are happy with only a one-year embargo. Policies of this kind represent difficult compromises. Joe Esposito On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:13 AM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Stevan Harnad <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:34:28 -0400 > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 on Liblicense, LIBLICENSE Ari Belenkiy wrote: > > > First, by definition, the Green OA is "a deposit of PRE-peer-reviewed article on author's website". > > Incorrect. By definition Green OA is immediate, permanent toll-free > online access to the post-peer-reviewed "postprint", provided by the > author (on any website, institutional or central). > > > The only way publishers can agree on this is for a back payment - this appears to be made by institutions and not by the authors (a version of the Gold OA). > > Nothing of the sort. The majority of journals endorse immediate, > unembargoed Green OA. > > A minority want a 1-year embargo. > > The solution is to mandate immediate deposit of all articles; authors > can then provide immediate Green OA for the majority, and > Button-mediated "Almost OA" during the embargo for the embargoed > minority. > > No payment for any of this. Publication is already paid for via > subscriptions, for subscription journals. And Gold OA payments have > nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. > > > Am I right? Then who in the institution will decide for which submission > > to pay and for which not? > > You are wrong. You are conflating preprint and postprint, Green OA and > Gold OA. I suggest doing a little background reading on basic concepts > and developments in OA. There's not much, and you will understand it > quickly once you read about it. But just going by the words in > postings, and their free associations with what one thinks they might > mean will not get one anywhere. You might start with the > self-archiving FAQ. > > Stevan Harnad