From: "Jones, Doug" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 00:29:16 +0000 David--thanks for this example. It would be interesting to know the terms and expectations to which the National Kidney Foundation agreed when they (apparently) decided to sign over rights to the journal. I'm not familiar with this particular case, so please clarify as appropriate. Many societies/foundations have decided to get out of a non-core, high-capital-investment operation (publishing) with the understanding that a professional publisher provides more resources/options for both authors and readers AND (with a commercial publisher) they may be guaranteed annual payments plus future increases. Doug Douglas Jones Senior Assistant to the Dean University of Arizona Libraries Tucson, AZ 85721 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: "Osterbur, David L." <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:28:58 -0400 Elsevier is an appropriate comparison. Look at the price of American Journal of Kidney Disease from 2008 to 2009. Elsevier took over publication that year from the National Kidney Foundation. Our price for the journal increased 450%. David L. Osterbur, Ph.D. Director of Access and Public Services Countway Library of Medicine Harvard Medical School Boston, MA 02115 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 02:32:09 +0000 >Did APS costs increase 35%? Did the CPI JUMP and I didnšt hear about >it? Is there some phantasmagorical Elsevier level reasoning >transported via time warp from the 1980šs that justifies this for my >institution ? Has APS been reading the news about funding in state >institutions? I'm not sure Elsevier is actually the right point of comparison here -- to my (limited) knowledge, they've never presented any of their customers with a sudden 35% price increase. The pricing behavior that Chuck is describing sounds much more like that of our non-profit friends at the American Chemical Society. --- Rick Anderson Interim Dean, J. Willard Marriott Library University of Utah [log in to unmask]