From: "Hamaker, Charles" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:31:52 +0000 Thanks for responding Rick. I wonder how far you've worked through the cultural changes implied of the library and the campus? BI and article provision become much more complex, as the question isn't do we have access from a bibliographic database to a subscription.It is not as if a good open url resolver can tell you where to find an green OA article version. The normal alternative is ILL if there's' no version immediately available to the user. If the default to no subscription is ILL normally-- in our case for both students and faculty -is the library (the whole public facing library) ready to help people find the article other ways and suggest to them that's sufficient? Do you set a yearly limit on the number of library paid Document delivery articles per user/per status? And how does ILL know whether to reference the "free" version or buy the publisher version if they become the "finder" for the campus? What's the decision tree look like for ILL? Or that matter for acquisistions/collection development. Once you sets an acceptable CPU how soon do individuals on campus learn what it is and shoot the moon so to speak to protect their favorite journals? . Using a Bibliographic Database to identify might be even more important than it is now, as finding something on the web can be an exercise in futility if that's where the search begins. To actually retrieve an article Public service librarians will have to teach a separate process, with all sorts of caveats such as latest version, corrected version, withdrawn version-to just name a few. . Faculty guiding students to how to do research in their field are another issue Have you considered a program to inform the campus that asking students to use articles from peer reviewed journals will be significantly different and convince faculty that an OA green article is sufficient for most needs, as i assume it must be if you implement this full force? Can anyone, student or researcher really write an acceptable paper citing the non publisher version, which is all the writer might have access to?--(especially the night before the paper is due?) Will faculty accept such cited Green OA articles in papers students turn in, in Master's theses, in Dissertations. Will the upcoming PH.D. just fake the citation? You might be saying, (and I might be misrepresenting your position, so feel free to correct me) well we have to cite the publisher's article, but we don't have to read that version. I think your proposal would demand an enormous range of actions and acquiescence and agreement from a wide swath of the campus. I haven't read how you plan to engineer that. I'd be interested in hearing how you intend to change cultural and scholarly literature practices and preferences to do what you are suggesting. This above is free association. just off the top of my head and certainly not as logically organized as you and Stevan Harnad write. But I think they are legitimate concerns, however poorly expressed. I'm sure there are more for such a radical departure. Regards Chuck Hamaker