From: "Hamaker, Charles" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:02:05 +0000 Rick Anderson wrote: "Chuck, the thing about most of these questions is that they apply equally to any program of journal cancellations, regardless of the impetus for them. And as you know, we have to cancel journals all the time. It will be no harder or more complex to provide access to the content of a canceled Green journal than it is to provide access to the content of any other canceled (or never-subscribed) journal." I think you are wrong in this assumption Rick. In most ILL departments(I've been in the trenches with overworked ILL staff several times in my career), the goal is to provide the version of record of an article as expeditiously as possible, and at the lowest cost possible in the most convenient form. I've never seen an ILL department ask the questions (with their implied back and forth interrogation you are suggesting. The default for quick turn around in ILL is a generally understood and accepted standard, i.e. the definitive version of record, not "which version are we seeking". Even when only aggregator HTMLis available instead of the version of record, ILL is sensitive to what the user needs. But that's a simple question compared to which version of an OA article and from what source, are you willing to accept "fulfillment". I think you underestimate the amount of resistance ILL will have if they try to fulfill requests to faculty and students out of Green OA articles. The ILL process in your version becomes much much more of an interrogation/negotiation before the actual delivery of the item to the requestor. I doubt many ILL's are staffed for such interrogative exchanges. I can't imagine any user agreeing to the proposition you state: ".. Accepting an OA version of this article will help us keep more funds in reserve for journal subscriptions." (There's your BI, scalable and provided in real time.)" Or in simple parlance, I think the answer is not my problem! Rick ends with "This all points up one of the very nice things about journal cancellation: it's eminently reversible." My apologies to everyone, Rick included, but I find this response hilarious. Chuck