From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:56:06 -0400 "Which implies some level of responsibility." I am not arguing with that, nor do I have any reason to defend Elsevier. I am asking a different question: How does one assess a service provider? If HighWire or Atypon provide Web hosting for a bad journal, do we object to them? I don't know the specifics of Elsevier's relationship with the journal in question, and I am not trying to reopen the Bohannon debate. What I am wondering about, in the abstract, is whether or not service providers are responsible for editorial decisions. It's not an easy call. Joe Esposito On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:53:22 +0100 > > This is a very interesting case. On Elsevier's website, we see: > > Imprint: Elsevier > > Which implies some level of responsibility. But even more intriguing, > the journal does not appear to be openly available through the > Elsevier website - papers are only available either to Science Direct > subscribers or for purchase at $31.50 a paper: > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/09757619 > > The papers are freely available from the journal website (which > equally intriguingly carries an Elsevier copyright notice, although > the papers themselves are copyright JPR Solutions): > > http://www.ditonline.org/home > > As far as I can see, and it is a little foggy to me, this journal is > generating author income, big deal revenue and pay-per-view > possibilities - all for the same articles. It appears to have all of > the bases covered > > David > > > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 22:15, LIBLICENSE wrote: > > From: Joseph Esposito <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:59:52 -0400 > > I was under the impression that Elsevier did not publish the journal > that accepted the "sting" article, but that Elsevier has a services > arrangement with the journal's publisher. Am I mistaken about this? > It's a material item. In a service relationship, Elsevier ( or any of > the publishers that do this kind of thing, including Wiley, OUP, > Cambridge, Springer, Sage, etc., etc.), the service provider has not > involvement with editorial selection. Consider the alternative: > would anyone want a service provider to be telling the professional > societies whose journals they host and distribute what to publish? > > Assigning responsibility in a situation like this is complicated. But > once again we should thank Bohannon for making everybody pay > attention. > > Joe Esposito