From: Erin Gallagher <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:32:25 +0000 Subject: ILL restrictions in PsycTHERAPY license Good morning, everyone. I want to thank those of you who responded to my query on negotiating ILL allowances for APA’s PsycTHERAPY. We have not been successful in our attempts, but our faculty would like us to go ahead with a trial this fall anyway. This seems to be the ongoing Saga of the Rock and the Hard Place for those of us in licensing: do we sacrifice access to content for the sake of upholding our core principles of cooperative borrowing? In this case, we have presented the faculty with options and they feel that we should proceed with the trial. Alone, it is doubtful that we have the bargaining power to push back too far with APA on this one, even though we find their argument to be illogical. As streaming video replaces traditional purchasing of content in DVD and VHS, it would serve providers well to treat this format with less of a “land grab” mentality. Thank you, Erin Erin Gallagher Electronic Resources & Serials Librarian Olin Library Rollins College Winter Park, FL 32789 [log in to unmask] ******* Hi Erin, I negotiated (or at least tried to ) this license during my previous post as the E-resources Librarian at UBC Library, and I found APA to be generally difficult and unyielding. In the end, ILL was not allowed, and if I recall correctly I think I ended up having to get legal counsel to review the indemnification clause that APA wouldn't budge on either. Here's UBC's public permissions record for PsycTHERAPY. http://licenses.library.ubc.ca/AmericanPsychologicalAssociation_PsycTHERAPY I hope this helps. cheers, Teresa ******* Hi Erin, We ordered PsychTESTS from APA and couldn't get ILL for that either. We subscribed anyway because there was such high faculty & grad student demand, and the selector didn't think the terms omitted were necessary. Here is what she said: This is a database containing the full text of tests/surveys (most records contain the actual instruments) with links to reviews and articles about the tests/surveys. The database contains the full text of the test/survey instruments but not the full text of the reviews and articles so it seems like this particular resource is more analogous a data product than a full text article database. The data in this resource primarily supports research not teaching so I am not really surprised that there is a limitation on ILL, e-reserves and course packs. We were told that the authors of the various tests gave them only limited rights (which is why we couldn't get perpetual access either). Here is the breakdown that the APA rep sent me: Hi Diane: I did some searching on the PsycTESTS database and the permissions are laid out as such: Permissions given for educational and research: 8818 tests Contact Corresponding author: 404 Contact Corresponding publisher: 1354 Contact Corresponding author and publisher: 1390 Not specified: 13 I didn’t ask which authors or publishers we wouldn’t have to contact, since that would be too hard to code in our ERM. Good luck, though. Please let me know if you succeed. Best, Diane Diane Gurman Scholarly Communication and Licensing Librarian UCLA Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575 ******* You won't be able to negotiate for ILL. These are videos of actual client-therapist sessions and the participants have only given permission for the recordings to be shown to "a mental health professional, a mental health professional in training, or as part of other relevant educational courses or assignments (including in-service training)." Before viewing the videos, you have to accept a click through that includes that information and more, including, " You will respect the videos and their content by viewing the videos in as private an environment as reasonably possible, out of sight or hearing of unauthorized viewers to the maximum degree possible." I'm surprised the license doesn't restrict the resource to only some of your population. Heather Cannon, M.L.I.S. Technical Services Librarian Adler School of Professional Psychology Chicago, IL 60602 [log in to unmask] ________________________________________ From: Erin Gallagher <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:38:48 +0000 Hello, everyone. We are considering a subscription to APA’s PsycTHERAPY database. While most other APA products allow for ILL with the expected non-commercial usage restrictions, the license for PsycTHERAPY states the following: "The use of the Licensed Materials for Interlibrary Lending is prohibited. The licensee may not remove transcripts, transcript excerpts, images, or audio from any of the Licensed Materials and separately distribute them." Our attempts to negotiate ILL allowances have been stonewalled thus far by their legal counsel. Has anyone in this group had experience with negotiating ILL for PsycTHERAPY? Does anyone have advice for our next steps? If our only option is to not subscribe, we are prepared to do so, but we would greatly appreciate your collective wisdom. It’s also important to alert our community to issues like this that may affect others. Thank you, Erin Erin Gallagher Electronic Resources & Serials Librarian Olin Library Rollins College Winter Park, FL 32789 [log in to unmask]