From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:33:51 +0100 Dear Rick I agree that there is very little evidence. I use "very little" rather than "no" evidence because people tell me that there is evidence in certain disciplines but I have not seen it. There is modelling which is a different matter. Libraries are not going to cancel if it is difficult or impossible to get together the contents of a particular issue - we all know that. They may not even cancel then but perhaps there will be less pressure from patrons to keep the journal. Cancellation decisions are made with different criteria in mind - at the moment. It seems to me that it is all a matter of harvesting and metadata. If OAI-PMH or something a little less complicated is revived or becomes front line and if repositories actually manage to attach proper metadata to what they ingest, the situation will change. How quickly might that happen? It is like those regular questions at conferences where a panel are asked how soon gold Open Access will become the default journals model or whatever "tipping point" is used. Over the decades I have noticed that the projections have tended to recede. I suppose the question for publishers is whether they should believe the projections of fanatical green activists (not Professor Harnad) and act accordingly or whether they should believe the concept of librarians being unable to organise themselves to make repositories a threat which is put forward by the CEO of one very large company (not Elsevier). Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 02:33:26 +0000 >I think the important point here, aside from the double-talk Dr. Wise >continues to employ even after Steven points out the inconsistency, is >that there is no evidence at all that libraries have or will cancel >journal subscriptions because of author self-archiving in institutional >repositories. Of course, gathering real-world data from imaginary scenarios is notoriously tough. So here¹s my question (and this will be awkwardly phrased, sorry): is anyone aware of a subscription journal for which most or all of the content is consistently self-archived in repositories? If there are ten or twenty such journals out there, it would be very interesting to see whether and to what degree subscriptions have been affected since the self-archiving started ‹ and to monitor that trend over time. --- Rick Anderson Assoc. Dean for Scholarly Resources & Collections Marriott Library, University of Utah [log in to unmask]