From: Steve Oberg <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:58:45 +0000 This sweeping generalization of a statement ("...libraries should really stop claiming that they represent the scholarly community")...well, I find it just plain weird. Libraries represent and defend the rights of users, a big segment of which are scholars. And by the way, many librarians themselves are part of the scholarly community, scholars themselves, not somehow divorced from it. On the other hand, I understand this perspective if it comes from the perspective that libraries sometimes don't fully understand the users (including scholars) they represent. Check. Got it and acknowledge it. Neither do publishers. All of this is not meant to inflame but to articulate why I think Anthony's response is troubling, and to argue for more well rounded discussions. Steve Steve Oberg Assistant Professor of Library Science Electronic Resources and Serials Wheaton College (IL) ________________________________________ From: ANTHONY WATKINSON <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 14:19:09 +0100 I repeat my previous comment. I can see a few universities signing. I can see NO organisation representing academics in any discipline. Does Kathleen Shearer really think that library organisations represent scholars? I am not writing in defence of Elsevier. I am just pointing out that libraries should really stop claiming that they represent the scholarly community. Anthony