From: "Guédon Jean-Claude" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:47:28 +0000 I do not think Rick Anderson's analysis of the quotation from COAR to be correct. The quoted part is simply a description of the consequences linked with delayed availability. One may agree or not agree with this description, but, whatever the adopted attitude, one must deal with it as a fact. If one disagrees with it, one ought to demonstrate, preferably empirically, why he/she disagrees. From my perspective, the statement appears common-sensically obvious: if access is delayed and/or restricted, then research will be hampered by such constraints (at least a few researcher will be slowed down by such constraints). And public access to research will also be more difficult. Denying this is sophistry. The quoted COAR statement does not deal with the issue of CC-by. Furthermore, no CC licence addresses the issue of embargoes. Incidentally, Rick Anderson might remember that the Open Access movement is about abolishing toll access entirely (plus a few other things). This has been publicly the case since at least 2002. So, what is new here? Jean-Claude Guédon ________________________________________ From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 13:17:13 +0000 One sentence in COAR’s Statement Against Elsevier’s Sharing Policy stands out to me in particular: “Any delay in the open availability of research articles curtails scientific progress and places unnecessary constraints on delivering the benefits of research back to the public.” This is quite a remarkable statement — what’s it saying is that any access model that involves anything less than a) immediate and universal free access under b) any terms other than CC BY is unacceptable. In practice, this would seem to be a call for the abolishment of toll access entirely. If so, that’s fine, but it seems like we shouldn’t be coy about it — can anyone from COAR clarify whether this was the intent of the language in question? And if not, then was this language included by accident? --- Rick Anderson Assoc. Dean for Scholarly Resources & Collections Marriott Library, University of Utah [log in to unmask]