From: Ann Shumelda Okerson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:03:55 -0400 Denise -- it does seem as if ProQuest may be an outlier in its TDM pricing for archival resources. That is a real setback for educational and research purposes. Ann Okerson/CRL On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:45 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > From: Denise Troll Covey <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:31 +0000 > > Ivy, > > I'm aware of and grateful for the language about TDM in the model license. > My problem is that the sentence pertinent to my post about pricing is not > particularly helpful: > > “If Licensee or Authorized Users request the Licensor to deliver or > otherwise prepare copies of the Licensed Materials for text and data mining > purposes, any fees charged by Licensor shall be solely for preparing and > delivering such copies on a time and materials basis.” > > As I interpret this sentence, all a publisher needs to do – as ProQuest did > in follow-up discussion – is say the fees are solely for cost recovery. > > When publishers calculate prices based on “cost recovery,” how many > customers is the cost spread across? I suspect they would have > significantly more customers for TDM if the cost were significantly lower. > A key point for libraries in assessing affordability is the number of people > likely to exercise the TDM rights. Unlike the cost of licensing a database > that will be used by hundreds if not thousands of people, at present TDM > rights are likely to be exercised by a very small group. Libraries cannot > afford to spend $$$$$ to purchase content for one researcher or a handful of > researchers. The well would quickly run dry. I doubt whether researchers > will be willing to – or permitted to – use grant $$$$$ to purchase content > for text and data mining. > > And do we really think prices will plummet after commercial > publishers/vendors recoup their investment in generating XML files and > posting them to the cloud or a server from which they can produce hard drive > copies? The ongoing cost for maintaining these files will be significantly > lower than the one-time set-up costs, but I doubt that prices will plummet. > I can imagine shareholders frowning at the prospect and publishers claiming > that maintaining and upgrading the infrastructure, functionality, format > etc. necessitate the high ongoing costs. > > I think publishers are trying to figure out what the market will bear. From > my perspective, the price is unbearable. > > Denise > > Denise Troll Covey > Scholarly Communications Librarian > Carnegie Mellon University > 4909 Frew St, Hunt Library > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > http://orcid.org/0000-0002-8040-822X > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivy Anderson <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:48:16 +0000 > > Denise, > > The language in the new model Liblicense agreement addresses both TDM rights > and potential costs. It reads: > > Text and Data Mining. Authorized Users may use the Licensed Materials to > perform and engage in text and/or data mining activities for academic > research, scholarship, and other educational purposes, utilize and share the > results of text and/or data mining in their scholarly work, and make the > results available for use by others, so long as the purpose is not to create > a product for use by third parties that would substitute for the Licensed > Materials. Licensor will cooperate with Licensee and Authorized Users as > reasonably necessary in making the Licensed Materials available in a manner > and form most useful to the Authorized User. If Licensee or Authorized > Users request the Licensor to deliver or otherwise prepare copies of the > Licensed Materials for text and data mining purposes, any fees charged by > Licensor shall be solely for preparing and delivering such copies on a time > and materials basis. > > > CDL hasn't attempted to negotiate this with ProQuest, but this is the basis > on which I would seek to negotiate - > > Best, > > Ivy Anderson > Director of Collections > California Digital Library > University of California, Office of the President > [log in to unmask] | http://cdlib.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Denise Troll Covey <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:24:22 +0000 > > All, > > We recently inquired and received ProQuest’s “Content Delivery & Access > Price Sheet” for TDM. The spreadsheet includes pricing and delivery methods > for Historical Newspapers, Official Government Documents, History Vault, and > Historical Periodicals. The prices vary depending on the delivery method – > significantly lower for delivery from the cloud than delivery via hard > drive, but most of the material is not available for delivery form the > cloud. And the prices are outrageous, especially when you consider that > much of the content is out of copyright and TDM is likely fair use of the > content that is copyright protected. We suspect that library licensing fees > covered ProQuest’s financial investment in scanning/OCRing this material, so > why the exorbitant cost to enable TDM? > > Has anyone tried to negotiate with ProQuest to arrive at affordable TDM? > > Denise > > Denise Troll Covey > Scholarly Communications Librarian > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > http://orcid.org/0000-0002-8040-822X