From: adam hodgkin <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:26:48 +0100 I don't know the plural of 'morass' is it 'morasses'? But can Jim clarify whether there are one or several. I am not sure whether the problem is at bottom one of multiple, changing and inconsistent licensing arrangements; or, and also, one of a profusion of file formats, reading apps and meta-data standards? ebooks does seem to be a rather unsatisfactory term. Adam Hodgkin www.exacteditions.com Italian: +39 3460964211 skype name: adam.hodgkin On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:51 AM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: "Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:48:56 +0000 > > Hi Jim, > > Not really my area of expertise, but I quickly touched base with the > very knowledgeable Graham Bell (copied here) and asked him a question > about whether ONIX for Books might help with at least some of these > challenges. Apparently it could. So for example, there are data > elements that can clarify the ‘technological’ aspects of file format, > reading system requirements and so on, and there are data elements > that can list some of the major usage constraints / conditions, and > there are data elements that can point to a full license. > > But there are open questions on whether publishers provide the > necessary level of detail in their ONIX for Book feeds at the minute, > and about whether libraries receive/ingest ONIX for Books metadata. > He has apparently seen "an uptick in interest in ONIX from libraries > and more specifically from library systems suppliers (e.g. Innovative, > Sirsi Dynix)" which is potentially interesting and helpful. > > More information about ONIX for Books is available here: > http://www.editeur.org/83/Overview/ > > With best wishes, > Alicia > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jim O'Donnell" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:02:15 -0700 > > Jill O'Neill of NISO has an interesting place from which to observe > the various insanities and inanities of the market in what publishers > and libraries persist in calling "ebooks" and she has an excellent > posting on the Scholarly Kitchen on the theme: > > https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2016/12/05/monographs-transparency-and-open-access/ > > Observe that it's not just that "discovery tools" fail in this case > (without a lot of hunter-gatherer work on the user's part), but they > fail because traditional metadata don't capture quite enough: we > don't want merely title, author, keywords/subjects, and similar > information, but we also want to know things about conditions of > access. If we're lucky, it's as simple as OA/Paywall, but in this > case it's something that happens to be OA on a site that has a range > of kinds of materials, and the first discovery tool in fact > misinformed her about the conditions she would find there -- and it > was only stubborn persistence that got to the final revelation. So > this is a case where the issues are one part technology of ebook and > two parts legal/contractual questions of access to resources. What > will make progress happen? > > Jim O'Donnell > ASU