From: "Jean-Claude Guédon" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:34:18 -0400 Beall's list could have done so much good work if he had accepted collaborating with other, complementary, organizations, such as DOAJ. I suggested this to him, once, but in vain. he did not even respond or explain why he would not do such a thing. It must never be forgotten that Beall's list never clearly distinguished between bad publications and open access publications, particularly if the latter did not originate with a well known, preferably Western-based, publisher. Hindawi temporarily fell victim to this kind of behaviour. So did the Scielo platform, once described as publishing "favelas" by Beall. By muddying th waters as much as he did, Beall did at least as much harm as he did good. Jean-Claude Guidon Le jeudi 08 juin 2017 à 20:09 -0400, LIBLICENSE a écrit : From: Byron Russell <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:17:53 +0000 I quite agree. It was too easy (or lazy?) to see the list as being the go-to place for information about predatory publishers, several of whom – bona fide academic publishers – are hosted by Ingenta Connect, which gave rise to some concern as to what exactly the compiler’s parameters were. Like the DOAJ, we prefer to carry our own vetting procedures when approached by new publishers seeking our hosting services. Byron Byron Russell Head of Ingenta Connect Ingenta Tel. +44 (0)1865 397881 Mob. +44 (0)7900 494258 From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:20:05 +0000 Indeed. And the lives and livelihoods of some of people who worked for the publishers that were arbitrarily targeted by the list were affected. There is no excuse for harassment, but there must be an acknowledgement that Beall’s whims had negative consequences, consequences that we magnified by the importance we collectively gave to the list . David On 6 Jun 2017, at 23:58, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Aline Soules <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 21:56:29 -0700 Unfortunately, some of the journals on the list weren't predatory; yet, in some tenure cases, publications were discounted because the journal was on the list. If anyone picks up on this list again, I hope the first thing the person does is check on the status of every journal on the list. This affects people's work lives significantly. Aline -- Aline Soules, Library Faculty California State University, East Bay 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd. Hayward, CA 94542 510-885-4596 [log in to unmask]