From: Anthony Watkinson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:28:02 +0100 Dear Jim I think lawsuits did have success with Pirate Bay and similar. Maybe these sites are just as worrying to publishers as they once were just not mentioned as much but others can tell us. Once a judgement has been given notice and takedown are given (extra) backing. I know that in the UK the PA’s copyright and infringement portal has had a lot of success: https://www.publishers.org.uk/activities/copyright-ip/preventing-piracy/. Anthony ******* From: "Jim O'Donnell" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:35:03 -0700 First Elsevier, now the American Chemical Society, seeing Elsevier's success, files suit against offshore malefactors. https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2017/june/acs-files-suit-against-sci-hub.html The question this raises in my mind is, why do these large and powerful organizations think it's worthwhile filing and winning these suits. Their lawyers and the process cost them a fair packet, while the malefactors revel in their ability to escape the long arm of the law. Suggests to me there's a deeper game going on. Worth doing all this to make a careful show of protecting their rights against future malefactors who may be within reach? I would be glad to be instructed. Jim O'Donnell Arizona State