From: "Jean-Claude Guédon" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:39:04 -0500 Rick Anderson: And let me reiterate that saying “publishing is part of the research process” doesn’t magically make research funding cover the subsequent costs of publishing an account of the research. You can redirect research funding towards the costs of publication (and thus spend less on the former and more on the latter), but you can’t make one dollar underwrite both a dollar’s worth of research and a dollar’s worth of publishing. JCD: The issue is not magic; it is about locating scholarly publishing where it belongs. The specificity of scholarly publishing is not found in some curious space located beyond research; it is found quite easily once it is well understood that scholarly publishing is very different from commercial publishing. Without scholarly publishing, research is largely condemned to sterile solipsism. As for the zero-sum game adumbrated above, it assumes that money can come from strictly defined "research" budgets only, and no other source. This is inaccurate. Libraries, for example, are involved in the research process, and part of their budget also supports research through acquisitions and licenses. Some of that money can be redirected, probably more efficiently, toward publishing functions. This moves simply requires new alliances, new partners. Jean-Claude Guédon