From: Philip DiVietro <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:20:31 +0000 Sci-Hub is a pirate site that now has tremendous resources supporting it. Mirror servers and the like in several countries, Russia in particular. Yet the young lady does not have a penny to her name. So how does that happen? She has become nothing more than a simple façade for something far more serious. Philip V. DiVietro Managing Director, Publishing ASME 2 Park Avenue, 6th Floor New York, NY 10016-5990 Tel 1.212.591.7696 Mobile 1.631.553.1088 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: "Jean-Claude Guédon" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:51:20 -0500 Hmmmmmm From Marx to Proudhon as if it were an equivalence... ??? How can Elbakyan be an avowed communist ideologue while her basic premise is "...right out of the French anarchist thinker Proudhon". Does this mean that the Philosophy of poverty is the same book as the Poverty of Philosophy? Amusing... Regarding Sci-Hub, it is not Open Access, it is something else. I am not sure how to label Sci-Hub, but, please, do not confuse Sci-Hub and Open Access. As for the source, The Verge, does anyone know anything about its reliability? It reads like a tabloid. Jean-Claude Guédon Le lundi 12 février 2018 à 20:42 -0500, LIBLICENSE a écrit : From: SANFORD G THATCHER <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:40:35 -0500 This is a very interesting article and, as far as I can tell, accurate in its reporting of the facts. What surprises me is that in acountry like the United States that has a long history of anti-communism so many people in academe want to play ball with an avowed communist ideologue like Elbakyan. Her basic premise comes right out of the French anarchist thinker Proudhon, who famously said "Property is theft!" I wonder how many of her supporters really would like to see the US turned into an authoritarian country like Russia, which is what Elbakyan wants to happen. Like Peter Suber, as he well knows, I have been a supporter of open access going back to a time when that term did not yet exist, and I agree with him that Sci-Hub gives open access a bad name. While thinking she is working in the public interest, she has done untold damage to university press publishing in this country by encouraging the theft of monographs as well as journal articles. A lot of presses with journals programs depend on surpluses from those programs to internally subsidize publication of monographs, so efforts like hers have resulted in making it ever more difficult for junior scholars especially to find outlets for their monographs. There are a few efforts to do open-access monograph publishing, but they are way behind where OA journal publishing is and meanwhile untold damage is being done to young scholars' careers and futures through the externalities of programs like Sci-Hub and LibGen. Ironically, publishers' efforts to combat Sci-Hub have led them to bring the courts into the fray and strengthen legal precedents that can be used against other, perhaps more constructive OA undertakings. Sci-Hub's legacy may be a more repressive legal environment overall--not that Elbakyan cares because her ultimate aim is to bring down capitalism itself. Sandy Thatcher On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 05:19 PM LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Ann Okerson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM "In cramped quarters at Russia’s Higher School of Economics, shared by four students and a cat, sat a server with 13 hard drives. The server hosted Sci-Hub, a website with over 64 million academic papers available for free to anybody in the world. It was the reason that, one day in June 2015, Alexandra Elbakyan, the student and programmer with a futurist streak and a love for neuroscience blogs, opened her email to a message from the world’s largest publisher: 'YOU HAVE BEEN SUED.'" https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16985666/alexandra-elbakyan-sci-hub-open-access-science-papers-lawsuit