From: Kent Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 06:42:35 -0700 Can someone explain to me what a “monopoly over articles” means compared to the cultural expectations prohibiting duplicate publication and plagiarism? Isn’t every article locked down by these expectations and norms, moreso than by copyright? Also, not all publishers require copyright transfer, so if this were an issue for an author group, authors could shop for publishers who don’t. The market would respond, and to some extent has responded. Isn’t copyright transfer a market condition susceptible to market pressures? But the first question is the one I’m most curious about. What would “non-monopolized” articles look like? Any different? -- *Kent Anderson* CEO, RedLink and RedLink Network 57 East Main Street, Suite 211 Westborough, MA 01581 https://www.redlink.com *Phone: *508-366-5653 *Cell:* 774-288-9464 *Email:* [log in to unmask] *ORCID:* 0000-0002-5458-6735 On November 1, 2018 at 8:56:50 PM, LIBLICENSE ([log in to unmask]) wrote: From: "Jim O'Donnell" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:30:33 -0700 Rick, there were two points that struck me as particularly well-made: 1. They describe well and persuasively the de facto monopoly that publishers hold over articles whose rights have been signed over to them and make the point that this condition makes it effectively impossible to create a fair market in such information. (What is unclear is what remedies there might be at law in the EU for such a condition. I assume there must be relevant parallels.) 2. They also make the point that Elsevier and others are engaging in vertical integration with anti-competitive results thus: "Vertical integration of services creates a ‘virtual lock in’ environment for Elsevier’s customers and users, ensuring that its digital services crowd out and exclude those of its competitors from the market. This applies particularly to a range of downstream competitive services within scholarly publishing and communication, and now represents the ongoing concentration of scholarly infrastructures by Elsevier and a small number of ‘competitors’." I will just add that I well understand there will likely be response on these points from Elsevier in the process that now opens. My point in the original posting was just to say that the document struck me as thoughtful, well-argued, and unrhetorical. I may have been influenced by a recent viewing of a relevant film that struck me, apart from contributions by Anderson and Watkinson, as deficient on all those points. Jim O'Donnell ASU On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 4:45 PM LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:45:08 +0000 > > Jim, what do you think are the strongest arguments that Tennant and Brembs make in their complaint? > > --- > Rick Anderson > Assoc. Dean for Collections & Scholarly Communication > Marriott Library, University of Utah > Desk: (801) 587-9989 > Cell: (801) 721-1687 > [log in to unmask] > > > From: "Jim O'Donnell" <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:18:48 -0700 > > Here is a good source for the formal complaint filed on 26 October regarding RELX and the wider scholarly publishing market to the EU competition authority. Full text (22pp) PDF available -- https://zenodo.org/record/1472045#.W9iP5hNKjOR (My thanks to Gary Price's invaluable infoDOCKET for the link.) > > The complaint is partisan, no question, but represents to my eye a serious and coherent attempt to make the case for why big journal publishing can be interpreted as importantly marked by anti-competitive practices. The complaint is short, but not negligible, on practical remedies (pp. 20-21). In an environment where rhetoric and posturing often prevail in discussions of the topic, this one was refreshing. I hope that the respondents to this complaint can answer publicly with equal coherence and intelligence. > > Jim O'Donnell > Arizona State University