From: "Mittermaier, Bernhard" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 07:59:52 +0000 Dear all, I agree with Bernd-Christoph Kämper and can confirm that the current subscription volume played a role for both sides in judging any offer- for DEAL as an upper limit and for Wiley as a lower limit. So no wonder that €2750 times the anticipated article number is close to the current subscription volume. While Wiley thinks (or says, at least), that the volume is slightly above the current volume, DEAL rather thinks the opposite. But nobody can really predict because the final volume will depend on the article uptake. With regard to the ongoing negotiation with SpringerNature and the sometime-to-be-restarted negotiation with Elsevier, rather the PAR fee of €2750 is considered as the essential point than the current subscription volumes with these publishers. Best, Bernhard Mittermaier ########################################### Dr. Bernhard Mittermaier Forschungszentrum Jülich GmbH Leiter der Zentralbibliothek / Head of the Central Library 52425 Jülich Tel ++49-2461-613013 Fax ++49-2461-616103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:42:28 -0500 From: LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Done DEAL: All German research articles in Wiley journals ... new transformative agreement From: "Bernd-Christoph Kämper (UB)" < [log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:43:53 +0100 No, Leo. Your contract is clearly a Read an Publish contract, because it explicitely says that the amount of money charged (which includes 3.5% price increase per annum) will be adjusted if the value of the Wiley journal database will change by more than 5% through journals acquired or transferred. There is also a clear statement that the contract allows unlimited hybrid OA publishing and the price will not change because of that. In the German contract it is just the other way around. The 2750 EUR is fixed and the annual payments made in advance will be adjusted depending on the actual numbers of articles published by corresponding authors from the DEAL institutions. The 1600 EUR RAP per article is an inferred price based on the estimated number of articles published and the negotiated price of the contract. It is mentioned only in the analysis you have linked to and is not part of the contract. So my guess is that the difference to the German PAR must reflect that your institutions have collectively paid less in subscriptions before than the German DEAL institutions, when calculated in relation to the number of articles published. Either because your journal collections were smaller, or because dutch Scientists publish more in Wiley journals than their german colleagues. This assumes that the publisher's aim was not to loose money overall. Do you have a comparison value for the value of the total subscription fees per article under your previous deal (that was not yet Read and Publish, I assume)? Also, I would be interested to learn about the corresponding value in Germany under the existing deals (before entering the new PAR agreement). Perhaps someone from Project DEAL can comment. Best regards, Bernd-Christoph Kämper, Stuttgart University Library