From: Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000 I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns also when negotiating with publishers. Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either ResearchGate or SciHub. But this fact does not influence my decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription renewals. Best regards, Joanne Joanne V. Romano, MLS Head of Resource Management Texas Medical Center Library 1133 John Freeman Blvd. Houston, TX 77030 [log in to unmask] Office: 713-799-7144 Fax: 713-799-7844 www.library.tmc.edu ________________________________ From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000 It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with vendors that I have been involved in. My negotiations have always about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the resource to my community along with license terms, customer service, ease of use, etc. Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind. I also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers. Best, Lucy Lucia Maziar Library Director US Coast Guard Academy Library (DL) 35 Mohegan Ave New London CT 06320 860.444.8517 [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: Danny Kingsley <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:35:24 +1000 Not the ones I have been involved with Joe. Perhaps others on the list might wish to indicate their situations? Or is there evidence that I have missed in the public domain somewhere? The point I am making is: 1. The story is misleading because it is directly claiming subscriptions are being cancelled because of ResearchGate when it does not support that with anything substantial, it is all inferred 2. These kinds fo claims are what publishers use to justify embargoes, when: 3. ResearchGate ignores embargoes anyway The only group that take any notice of embargoes are libraries (the same libraries that are the ones that pay the subscriptions, mind you), and they are not the threat anyway. Embargoes are an expensive (in terms of time spent managing them) furphy created to ’solve’ a problem that generates elsewhere, and where there is no evidence to support the original claim regardless. Danny On 25 Jun 2019, at 09:31, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:09:46 -0400 This is a remarkable claim, Danny. ResearchGate and Sci-Hub are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers now. Joe Esposito [SNIP]