From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 21:30:49 -0400 What she said. Joe Esposito On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:24 PM LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:00 +0000 > > But surely usage is considered? And as usage goes elsewhere it > devalues the big deal because the cost per download goes up. > Librarians don't have to be endorsing or encouraging use of > ResearchGate (or SciHub), whether to access licit or illicit copies, > for the reality of that use to be impacting on ata that effects > library subscriptions to content? > > Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe > [log in to unmask] > > ________________________________ > From: Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000 > > I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price > increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns > also when negotiating with publishers. > > Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either > ResearchGate or SciHub. But this fact does not influence my > decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription > renewals. > > Best regards, > > Joanne > > Joanne V. Romano, MLS > Head of Resource Management > Texas Medical Center Library > 1133 John Freeman Blvd. > Houston, TX 77030 > [log in to unmask] > Office: 713-799-7144 > Fax: 713-799-7844 > www.library.tmc.edu > > ________________________________ > From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000 > > It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with > vendors that I have been involved in. My negotiations have always > about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the > resource to my community along with license terms, customer service, > ease of use, etc. Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind. I > also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they > are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers. > > Best, > > Lucy > > Lucia Maziar > Library Director > US Coast Guard Academy > Library (DL) > 35 Mohegan Ave > New London CT 06320 > 860.444.8517 > [log in to unmask] > > ________________________________ > > From: Danny Kingsley <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:35:24 +1000 > > Not the ones I have been involved with Joe. Perhaps others on the > list might wish to indicate their situations? Or is there evidence > that I have missed in the public domain somewhere? > > The point I am making is: > 1. The story is misleading because it is directly claiming > subscriptions are being cancelled because of ResearchGate when it does > not support that with anything substantial, it is all inferred > 2. These kinds fo claims are what publishers use to justify embargoes, when: > 3. ResearchGate ignores embargoes anyway > > The only group that take any notice of embargoes are libraries (the > same libraries that are the ones that pay the subscriptions, mind > you), and they are not the threat anyway. > > Embargoes are an expensive (in terms of time spent managing them) > furphy created to ’solve’ a problem that generates elsewhere, and > where there is no evidence to support the original claim regardless. > > Danny > > On 25 Jun 2019, at 09:31, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:09:46 -0400 > > This is a remarkable claim, Danny. ResearchGate and Sci-Hub are in > the background of every library negotiation with publishers now. > > Joe Esposito > > [SNIP]