From: Ian Gibson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 18:38:50 +0000 Apologies for responding to something so far back on the thread but the impact on usage stats cuts both ways. On the one hand people go to SciHub (and other sites that use compromised credentials to get at the literature) and download stuff that they could have got from the library and that drives down our usage totals. On the other hand compromised credentials (used by SciHub and elsewhere) also generate usage stats as they harvest things which messes up your stats in the other direction. In the past I would have been comfortable saying that the impact of the former is much greater than the impact of the latter. After talking to our campus IT security folks I'm not nearly as confident. Cheers, Ian Ian Gibson, MISt Acting Head, Collections Services Brock University | Brock University Library Niagara Region | 1812 Sir Isaac Brock Way | St. Catharines, Ontario L2S 3A1 E [log in to unmask] | T 905 688 5550 x6223 | @IanGibson11 ________________________________ From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:00 +0000 But surely usage is considered? And as usage goes elsewhere it devalues the big deal because the cost per download goes up. Librarians don't have to be endorsing or encouraging use of ResearchGate (or SciHub), whether to access licit or illicit copies, for the reality of that use to be impacting on ata that effects library subscriptions to content? Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000 I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns also when negotiating with publishers. Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either ResearchGate or SciHub. But this fact does not influence my decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription renewals. Best regards, Joanne Joanne V. Romano, MLS Head of Resource Management Texas Medical Center Library 1133 John Freeman Blvd. Houston, TX 77030 [log in to unmask] Office: 713-799-7144 Fax: 713-799-7844 www.library.tmc.edu ________________________________ From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000 It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with vendors that I have been involved in. My negotiations have always about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the resource to my community along with license terms, customer service, ease of use, etc. Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind. I also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers. Best, Lucy Lucia Maziar Library Director US Coast Guard Academy Library (DL) 35 Mohegan Ave New London CT 06320 860.444.8517 [log in to unmask]