From: Angela Maranville <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:21:35 +0000 Agreed! During our negotiations and subsequent unbundling last year, neither ResearchGate or SciHub were part of the decision. Instead we focused on many of the metrics discussed below, such as cost, usage, CPU, plus number of WVU citations and articles to drive the decision making as well implemented more robust ILL practices to provide access to unsubscribed resources. Best, Angie */* *Angela R. Maranville, MA, MLIS* Director, Knowledge Access & Resource Management Assistant University Librarian West Virginia University Libraries (304)293-2440 office [log in to unmask] From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:47:14 +0000 And just to emphasize what I said before: at my institution, anyway, we’re not talking about taking ResearchGate or (especially) SciHub into account when making cancellation decisions. We’re talking about utilizing Unpaywall, which focuses specifically on finding legitimate copies in legal repositories. --- Rick Anderson Assoc. Dean for Collections & Scholarly Communication Marriott Library, University of Utah Desk: (801) 587-9989 Cell: (801) 721-1687 [log in to unmask] From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:00 +0000 But surely usage is considered? And as usage goes elsewhere it devalues the big deal because the cost per download goes up. Librarians don't have to be endorsing or encouraging use of ResearchGate (or SciHub), whether to access licit or illicit copies, for the reality of that use to be impacting on ata that effects library subscriptions to content? Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000 I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns also when negotiating with publishers. Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either ResearchGate or SciHub. But this fact does not influence my decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription renewals. Best regards, Joanne Joanne V. Romano, MLS Head of Resource Management Texas Medical Center Library 1133 John Freeman Blvd. Houston, TX 77030 [log in to unmask] Office: 713-799-7144 Fax: 713-799-7844 www.library.tmc.edu ________________________________ From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000 It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with vendors that I have been involved in. My negotiations have always about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the resource to my community along with license terms, customer service, ease of use, etc. Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind. I also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers. Best, Lucy Lucia Maziar Library Director US Coast Guard Academy Library (DL) 35 Mohegan Ave New London CT 06320 860.444.8517 [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: Danny Kingsley <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:35:24 +1000 Not the ones I have been involved with Joe. Perhaps others on the list might wish to indicate their situations? Or is there evidence that I have missed in the public domain somewhere? The point I am making is: 1. The story is misleading because it is directly claiming subscriptions are being cancelled because of ResearchGate when it does not support that with anything substantial, it is all inferred 2. These kinds fo claims are what publishers use to justify embargoes, when: 3. ResearchGate ignores embargoes anyway The only group that take any notice of embargoes are libraries (the same libraries that are the ones that pay the subscriptions, mind you), and they are not the threat anyway. Embargoes are an expensive (in terms of time spent managing them) furphy created to ’solve’ a problem that generates elsewhere, and where there is no evidence to support the original claim regardless. Danny On 25 Jun 2019, at 09:31, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:09:46 -0400 This is a remarkable claim, Danny. ResearchGate and Sci-Hub are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers now. Joe Esposito [SNIP]