From: "Guédon Jean-Claude" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:47:28 +0000

I do not think Rick Anderson's analysis of the quotation from COAR to
be correct.

The quoted part is simply a description of the consequences linked
with delayed availability. One may agree or not agree with this
description, but, whatever the adopted attitude, one must deal with it
as a fact. If one disagrees with it, one ought to demonstrate,
preferably empirically, why he/she disagrees. From my perspective, the
statement appears common-sensically obvious: if access is delayed
and/or restricted, then research will be hampered by such constraints
(at least a few researcher will be slowed down by such constraints).
And public access to research will also be more difficult. Denying
this is sophistry.

The quoted COAR statement does not deal with the issue of CC-by.
Furthermore, no CC licence addresses the issue of embargoes.

Incidentally, Rick Anderson might remember that the Open Access
movement is about abolishing toll access entirely (plus a few other
things). This has been publicly the case since at least 2002. So, what
is new here?

Jean-Claude Guédon

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From: Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 13:17:13 +0000

One sentence in COAR’s Statement Against Elsevier’s Sharing Policy
stands out to me in particular:

“Any delay in the open availability of research articles curtails
scientific progress and places unnecessary constraints on delivering
the benefits of research back to the public.”

This is quite a remarkable statement — what’s it saying is that any
access model that involves anything less than a) immediate and
universal free access under b) any terms other than CC BY is
unacceptable. In practice, this would seem to be a call for the
abolishment of toll access entirely. If so, that’s fine, but it seems
like we shouldn’t be coy about it — can anyone from COAR clarify
whether this was the intent of the language in question? And if not,
then was this language included by accident?

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Rick Anderson
Assoc. Dean for Scholarly Resources & Collections
Marriott Library, University of Utah
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