From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 21:30:49 -0400

What she said.

Joe Esposito

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:24 PM LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: "Hinchliffe, Lisa W" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:00 +0000
>
> But surely usage is considered? And as usage goes elsewhere it
> devalues the big deal because the cost per download goes up.
> Librarians don't have to be endorsing or encouraging use of
> ResearchGate (or SciHub), whether to access licit or illicit copies,
> for the reality of that use to be impacting on ata that effects
> library subscriptions to content?
>
> Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe
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>
> ________________________________
> From:  Joanne Romano <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:33:18 +0000
>
> I agree with Lucy's sentiments here. Budget levels, subscription price
> increases, terms of use, ease of use, etc., are also my top concerns
> also when negotiating with publishers.
>
> Any user can choose to obtain free, pirated content from either
> ResearchGate or SciHub.  But this fact does not influence my
> decision-making, and isn't considered, when it comes to subscription
> renewals.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joanne
>
> Joanne V. Romano, MLS
> Head of Resource Management
> Texas Medical Center Library
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> ________________________________
> From: "Maziar, Lucy (EDU)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:49:26 +0000
>
> It has certainly never been in the background on any negotiations with
> vendors that I have been involved in.  My negotiations have always
> about rising costs, static or reduced budgets, and the value of the
> resource to my community along with license terms, customer service,
> ease of use, etc.  Sci Hub and ResearchGate are never in my mind.  I
> also would like to see the data that supports that statement that they
> are in the background of every library negotiation with publishers.
>
> Best,
>
> Lucy
>
> Lucia Maziar
> Library Director
> US Coast Guard Academy
> Library (DL)
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> ________________________________
>
> From: Danny Kingsley <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:35:24 +1000
>
> Not the ones I have been involved with Joe.  Perhaps others on the
> list might wish to indicate their situations?  Or is there evidence
> that I have missed in the public domain somewhere?
>
> The point I am making is:
> 1. The story is misleading because it is directly claiming
> subscriptions are being cancelled because of ResearchGate when it does
> not support that with anything substantial, it is all inferred
> 2. These kinds fo claims are what publishers use to justify embargoes, when:
> 3. ResearchGate ignores embargoes anyway
>
> The only group that take any notice of embargoes are libraries (the
> same libraries that are the ones that pay the subscriptions, mind
> you), and they are not the threat anyway.
>
> Embargoes are an expensive (in terms of time spent managing them)
> furphy created to ’solve’ a problem that generates elsewhere, and
> where there is no evidence to support the original claim regardless.
>
> Danny
>
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 09:31, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:09:46 -0400
>
> This is a remarkable claim, Danny.  ResearchGate and Sci-Hub are in
> the background of every library negotiation with publishers now.
>
> Joe Esposito
>
> [SNIP]