Sandy,

First of all, this thread is called "Predatory OA Journals" and it is in the context of OA journals, not monographs, that I made my comments.

Secondly, not just for journal articles, but also for monographs, the term OA justifiably raises the expectation that the work is indeed Open Access as it was originally defined (the Budapest OA Initiative) and if that is not the case, then labelling a work OA may well be seen as misleading by the reader.

That doesn't and shouldn't mean that steps to make monographs freely accessible are useless. But unless they are open access in the sense intended in the Budapest OA Initiative, which includes reuse, even commercial, and which is best captured in the CC-BY licence, they should be abundantly clear about what rights a reader has, lest their 'OA' label is read and interpreted as BOAI-compliant OA.

Jan Velterop

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On 19 Mar 2012, at 02:47, LIBLICENSE wrote:

> From: Sandy Thatcher <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:19:35 -0500
> 
> But, as I've said here before, if you take that approach and rule out
> anything that is not strictly compliant with the BOAI definition, then
> you are right away divorcing the OA movement from practically every OA
> monograph publishing program that currently exists. Is that a price
> you really want to pay for OA purism?   Think about the wider
> consequences of what you are recommending here....
> 
> Sandy Thatcher
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Jan Velterop <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:25:44 +0000
>> 
>> Well, if the author retains commercial rights, the 'open access' in
>> question is not BOAI-compliant, and it is about time to stop calling
>> anything Open Access that is not covered by CC-BY, CC-zero, or
>> equivalent. Open Access is well-defined in the Budapest Open Access
>> Initiative and stretching the notion to include all manner of
>> pseudo-OA causes the problems and anxieties Sandy Thatcher points to.
>> 
>> Jan Velterop
>> 
>> 
>> From: Sandy Thatcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:20:32 -0500
>> 
>> There may be an "orphan" problem with OA articles whose authors retain
>> commercial rights and who become difficult to locate later on.  (Also,
>> if they are deceased, their heirs will have inherited such rights and
>> they may well be unaware that they even own such rights.) Indeed, the
>> problem will likely be greater than for traditional publishing, where
>> such rights are typically owned by the publisher, which (unless it
>> goes out of business) is easy to locate.
>> 
>> Sandy Thatcher