From: adam hodgkin <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:26:48 +0100

I don't know the plural of 'morass' is it 'morasses'?

But can Jim clarify whether there are one or several. I am not sure
whether the problem is at bottom one of multiple, changing and
inconsistent licensing arrangements; or, and also, one of a profusion
of file formats, reading apps and meta-data standards?

ebooks does seem to be a rather unsatisfactory term.

Adam Hodgkin

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On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:51 AM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: "Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:48:56 +0000
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Not really my area of expertise, but I quickly touched base with the
> very knowledgeable Graham Bell (copied here) and asked him a question
> about whether ONIX for Books might help with at least some of these
> challenges.  Apparently it could.  So for example, there are data
> elements that can clarify the ‘technological’ aspects of file format,
> reading system requirements and so on, and there are data elements
> that can list some of the major usage constraints / conditions, and
> there are data elements that can point to a full license.
>
> But there are open questions on whether publishers provide the
> necessary level of detail in their ONIX for Book feeds at the minute,
> and about whether libraries receive/ingest ONIX for Books metadata.
> He has apparently seen "an uptick in interest in ONIX from libraries
> and more specifically from library systems suppliers (e.g. Innovative,
> Sirsi Dynix)" which is potentially interesting and helpful.
>
> More information about ONIX for Books is available here:
> http://www.editeur.org/83/Overview/
>
> With best wishes,
> Alicia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim O'Donnell" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:02:15 -0700
>
> Jill O'Neill of NISO has an interesting place from which to observe
> the various insanities and inanities of the market in what publishers
> and libraries persist in calling "ebooks" and she has an excellent
> posting on the Scholarly Kitchen on the theme:
>
> https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2016/12/05/monographs-transparency-and-open-access/
>
> Observe that it's not just that "discovery tools" fail in this case
> (without a lot of hunter-gatherer work on the user's part), but they
> fail because traditional metadata don't capture quite enough:  we
> don't want merely title, author, keywords/subjects, and similar
> information, but we also want to know things about conditions of
> access.  If we're lucky, it's as simple as OA/Paywall, but in this
> case it's something that happens to be OA on a site that has a range
> of kinds of materials, and the first discovery tool in fact
> misinformed her about the conditions she would find there -- and it
> was only stubborn persistence that got to the final revelation.  So
> this is a case where the issues are one part technology of ebook and
> two parts legal/contractual questions of access to resources.  What
> will make progress happen?
>
> Jim O'Donnell
> ASU