From: Eric Elmore <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:52:51 +0000

The underlying premise of the argument that librarians leverage an illegal
site to avoid paying for content is that librarians are thieves.  When
librarians say that’s not true and we don’t do that, we’re met with
disbelief.  So not only are we thieves but liars to boot.  No offense
intended I’m sure.



If my inclusion of the blood-sucking part in my description of capitalism
was hurtful and not up to the spirit of the list I do apologize.  I admit
it was flippant and over the top and unnecessary.  The rest of my
description however is accurate.  Capitalism IS a wealth extraction system,
and for-profit entities in such a system have the primary goal of profit
maximization do they not?  I’m sure it sounds better stated that way, but
the essence is the same.






From: Alex Holzman <[log in to unmask]>

Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:48:19 -0400

Anthony is smarter than I to respond to Eric's post with sarcasm.  With all
due respect, the post violates the spirit of this list, where librarians
and publishers often strenuously disagree, but almost always remain
entirely civil.  I don't speak for others, but as a former full-time and
now part-time publisher, I don't appreciate being portrayed as a
blood-sucking, money-grabbing beast.  I spent years in both commercial and
non-profit publishing and worked with librarians over the decades and I can
assure you the people on both sides of this issue, whatever their
disagreements, are overwhelmingly good and decent people working to
disseminate learning as broadly as they can.  (The post is also ignorant in
its assumption that all publishers are for-profit, but that is kind of
beside the point.)  I would like to believe this was a heat of the moment
post because I don't know how any of us could resolve our issues if one
side consists solely of devils (and the other of angels?).  And I don't
know how any of us could actually believe such is the case.



Alex Holzman