From: JJE Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 22:11:57 -0500

The use of list prices in discussions of  journals is at best irrelevant
and probably cynical.

May I raise a data question? What is the cost per article across a
library's many vendors? I am not suggesting that this is a good or useful
metric; I am simply attempting to ascertain what that figure is. So, for
example, if a library gets 1 million articles for $1 million, the cost per
article would be $1. Are these figures commonly calculated? Are there any
publicly available summaries?

Thank you.

Joe Esposito


On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 10:33 PM, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: David Prosser <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:31:11 +0000
>
> A couple of comments.
>
> Firstly, Gemma mentions the ‘journal subscription list prices’.  Data from
> Elsevier shows that less than 10% of their journals revenue comes from
> customers paying list prices.  Most are paying through big deals and so any
> list price adjustment is irrelevant.
>
> Secondly, a sample of 36 UK institutions showed that in 2016 they were
> paying a 17% premium on top of their big deals to make UK-authored papers
> OA.  The vast majority of that was for hybrid i.e., content that was
> included in the big deal subscription price.
>
> David
>
> On 25 May 2018, at 03:19, LIBLICENSE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: "Hersh, Gemma (ELS-LOW)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:08:54 +0000
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I wanted to clarify one of the comments made below regarding double
> dipping.
>
>
>
> Elsevier has a strict no double dipping policy, as described here
> <https://www.elsevier.com/about/our-business/policies/pricing#dipping>.
> Our journal subscription list prices are calculated based only on the
> subscription articles in a journal. We do not charge twice for access to
> the same article.
>
>
>
> Understandably, as open access content continues to grow, some have
> wondered why this is not translating into a corresponding decrease in
> subscription prices. And this is fueling concern about double dipping.
> However, it is important to note that while OA is growing, the subscription
> model is growing too. Certainly for Elsevier, the volume and quality of the
> articles we publish continues to grow, across both the subscription and
> open access business models.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Gemma
>
>
>
> Gemma Hersh
>
> VP, Open Science
>
> Elsevier I 125 London Wall I London I EC2Y 5AS
>
> M: +44 (0) 7855 258 957 I E: [log in to unmask]
>
> *Twitter: @gemmahersh*
>
>